posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:12 AM by Endie

Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Someone was posting on F13.net about the hoho-so-funny Christian ska band Sonseed supposedly rediscovered by Dougsploitation.

I was suspicious.  For one thing, they were surprisingly modern and astonishingly fresh for an early-eighties ska band wearing waistcoats and awful hair, especially in the nicely understated guitar solo.  For another, there were a couple of cliched lines where the audience was supposed to laugh at the naive Christians: "Jesus touched me deep down inside".  And anyone who, like me, has 25-year-old VHS tapes of music videos will look at the video quality after the first few seconds and want to know what climate-controlled vault that master-copy was stored in.

Other things.  Look at the logo for Sonseed that he links to on the dougsploitation site, and which was supposedly the one that they were putting on t-shirts between the late 70s and 1983, when they supposedly broke up.  Despite the fact that this would undoubtedly have had to be scanned, zooming in gives some obvious compression artifacts, and absolutely perfect white away from the lettering.

The supposed poster for the show struck me as a bit suspicious, too, after looking at the detailing around the top and bottom of the lettering compared to the rest of the poster, which had obvious off-vertical artifacts on it. The lettering, however, had absolutely [i]perfect[/i] horizontal lines, top and bottom.  As in, every single pixel was perfect on the horizontal plane of the log, top and bottom.  No other image [i]with[/i] the lettering existed outside of the dougsploitation site.  Looking around, I found the picture which the wording had been added to.  The white lettering against a white background also looked like nothing a professional designer would do, while the style was about seven or eight years out.  Um, so he dug up the real name of a late eighties religious affairs program where the host is already dead.  The host is seen, but muted while the sound begins immediately after he supposedly introduces the band.

The program was a serious magazine discussion of religious affairs, which in the last year that Sonseed supposedly existed (1983) booked "Mother Teresa, Bishop Tutu and His Holiness, the Dalai Lama".  The idea that they were, on that day, running music (try and find any other references to them doing that) and booking a puppet-show called "Punch and Judaism" doesn't hang together.

The only reference to Sonseed that I can find outside of the dougsploitation site and references to it and the youtube posting is their album for sale at a vinyl site.  When I found this, I was kinda surprised.  It looked genuine.  But the last updated date on that page was, suspiciously, within a day of its discovery by none other than... the dougsploitation site: http://dougsploitation.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-about-sonseed.html  Depending on server timestamps it may even be the same day.

And so on.  The lead singer, Sal Polichetti, appears right now linked with sonseed in one link on the web, the dougsploitsation site (this will change as google updates links to it).  Not unbelievable for someone in a televised, widely-touring band with an album release, but not hugely likely either (I'll spare you the detailed explanation, but I can tell you that even obscure UK Christian pop acts of the late 1960s get a few mentions, especially if they had albums, which are quite collectable in some cases).

I believe the stuff about "Sal Polichetti" being an actor.  I suspect that sticking all that stuff in the interview (none of which relates to "Sonseed", including any references to him on the web) was our Doug being a bit pre-emptive.

I could go on and on, but I'll spare you.  And it's Sunday evening.  The keyboards player in that video isn't even pretending to mime, let alone actually playing.  She is actually playing a completely different chord sequence in the reverse of the direction she would actually play it.  While she may have been intended to be miming, it would be unusual for an actual keyboards player to play a falling chord sequence when miming to a song she normally plays with a rising (I-IV-V) one.  The notes are wrong, sure, but the basic shape is wrong. too.

That said, it's nice work.  The instruments are good (I'm not so sure about the drumkit, to be honest), the clothes pretty believable as long as you have the idea that these guys would have chosen to play ska but not to borrow anything of the stylings of the scene.

So I'm pretty convinced that it's dougsploitation getting traffic through self-referential links.  And it's working, too.  With the internet, peoples' critical faculties are dulled, especially when they really want to believe.

If you're interested, here is a real ska song from that year.  Pretty awesome it is, too.

Comments

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Monday, September 08, 2008 10:16 PM by HappyParts
it's fun- the beat is good-
not sure where you find character actors to this?
I am spiritual and enjoy the song and the vibe-

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Monday, September 08, 2008 10:25 PM by Endie
Yep, I agree that it's really well done, and I genuinely like the guitar solo in particular. I just don't like it being passed off as real in order to generate viral interest vOv

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:42 PM by Randall K
If a fake, I'm curious about the real "Sonseed" that recorded the EP "First Fruits" Copyright 1981 (http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?hd=1,1&SC=Author&SA=Sonseed%2C%20Inc%2E&PID=JtQA_54iCD3fkHsPx-hVR0oUH&HIST=0&SEQ=20080909173713&SID=1) which included the track "Jesus is a friend of mine."

Someone with some knowlege about the original group had to be involved in the video. I don't doubt that the graphics on dougsploitation site are recent creations just to spice-up the post, but the video could be a digital restoration from VHS.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Friday, September 12, 2008 2:28 PM by Jeff Thomas
"With the internet, peoples' critical faculties are dulled"

No, no. With the internet, people have an inexplicable need to call "FAKE!" at the slightest provocation. Of course it's fucking real. Dick.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Friday, September 12, 2008 7:17 PM by bert
It's enjoyable because it's funny. Whether it's real or fake doesn't matter. I mean... have you read the bible? Did all that stuff really happen?

Pop! Oh look, a can of worms just opened.

Christians, before you start calling me a tool of the devil whose soul needs saving...I'm only having a joke. I know how sensitive you all are.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Friday, September 12, 2008 8:03 PM by Dougsploitation
Hello there -

Dougsploitation here. Wow - I love that you have taken the time to dissect my blog posts about "Sonseed". Don't know what evidence you need to prove that it's all for real. The tape was shown for the past 7 years at Dennis Hensley's Video Gong Show in LA., so hundreds of people have seen it.

The "poster" for THE FIRST ESTATE is fake, I never claimed it was real.
I went through my TV Guide collection trying to find a real ad, but alas WNBC didn't promote the show.

I contacted Sal through his theater company and he's a cool guy. Brother John (Sleepy) emailed me today, as have some other background performers. It's been a real hoot sharing this video with so many people. It sucks that some woman from Omaha stole it from my friend's original Vimeo post and didn't credit us (She even deleted my comment directing people to my blog). Whatever.

Not sure why the VHS tape held up so well, maybe because it was recorded in the 2 hour mode? It's been stored in my hallway closet with the rest of my bizarre video tapes - the GOLDIE & LIZA special, anyone?

The "Sonseed" logo was apparently designed by a woman named Angela, who was married to Frank Franco, the guitarist. My friend Rev. Ricky bought the LP from www.yinylrehab.com, beating me to the punch - I had to settle for a homemade cd.

Well, anyway - thanks for the attention. I think I'll link to your blog now. ;)

Doug

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Friday, September 12, 2008 8:23 PM by Tom
It's real. Though not on camera,I was in the band and know everyone on set. Those were great days, tons of fun and wonderful memories. it's hard to believe it gotten so popular 25 years later.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Friday, September 12, 2008 11:07 PM by Andy K
You're also talking complete horseshit about the keyboard part. She's playing E-A-B just as any keyboard player would - dropping from the E to the A, then up to the B. I mean, I hate myself for even debating this with you, but honestly, shouting FAKE at everything doesn't make you an independent, intelligent thinker. For that to happen, you've got to come to some rational conclusions based on the evidence in front of you.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:02 AM by Andrew

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:10 AM by David
You seem to be wrong. It shows up in <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/32812554?tab=details#tabs">this vinyl catalog</a>.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:06 AM by Ben Mordecai
The dude is playing a Steinburger bass, which wasn't invented until 1979, and not in mass production for a little while longer.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:55 AM by Tom C
Ben - And? The album was recorded in 1981.

What is WRONG with you people? As per all manner of conspiracy theories, it's a case of people deciding what they believe, and then trying desperately to come up with evidence that they think backs it up.

On that thread on Metafilter, those who aren't sticking a huge fucking question mark on it or doubting its authenticity are seriously being called Sheeple. It's like a mass psychosis. Utterly bizarre.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:42 PM by Endie
Right, as those trying to post for a few days there will have found out, someone broke my site with a bit of SQL injection. I have a nice "I'm very possibly wrong" post that I'll post.

That said, the original poster dressed up the story with all the fake graphics etc, so i feel partially vindicated. If Doug had let the story speak for itself, instead of embellishing it, then it wouldn't have smelled so fake.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:28 PM by dougsploitation
"the original poster dressed up the story with all the fake graphics"

That's what I do - hence Dougsploitation! :)

No worries. It was fun being the topic of "controversy" and great publicity for my little blog. That sucks that someone messed with your blog - it's weird how you can feel "violated" over the internet - like when the first person posted the "Jesus" video on YouTube without crediting me - and then deleted my comment that drove traffic to my blog. I mean, wtf?

continued blogging success, dude!
http://dougsploitation.blogspot.com/

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:44 AM by wombat
Yeah, I feel silly and pedantic for mentioning this, but your note about the keyboard progression doesn't actually make sense. A I-IV-V can be played in any 'shape' depending on how you voice the chords (inversions...)

I'm a professional studio pianist with perfect pitch. I watched her hands when you can see them more clearly in the beginning and she's playing the right notes. Also, the guitarist is doing the same chords as her in different voicings.

Anyway, can I have my 3 minutes back?

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:46 PM by Still on the Fence
On one hand I believe the video is real because it's hard to believe someone would go to that much trouble to create a fake video in hopes that it goes viral. For that reason I believe it's real. I am, however, struggling with the date it was created and the fashions and instruments used.

The clothing and hair cuts just don't seem correct for 1981/82. They look perfect for a mid-70's band but not quite right for early 80's. Place the band in the 1970's and fashion is spot on, but the bass guitar doesn't seem right for that time period.

The over analysis is funny and while some might call it a waste of time, I did have a laugh getting involved.

Conclusion, probably a reverse viral posting: the video is real but calling it a fake and supporting that claim with excessive analysis has created an obvious reverse viral situation. Hats off to you. I had a good laugh.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:44 PM by Sal Polichetti
Wow, where to begin...
It's very flattering to know that what we did all those years ago was even worthy to be considered "fake". The album was not a wide release. We recorded it at a little studio in Brookyn (Systems II),produced it ourselves and paid for it with donations. It was to be sold (we even gave some away)at our concerts.We only printed 1,000 or so and I'm a little surprised any survived.
As far as the video clip, it was from an NBC Sunday morning TV show (the First Estate)and was, of course, lip-sync'd. My base was not a Steinberger (I wish)but a cheap Kramer knock-off that I used because I thought it looked "cool". We were not a "ska" band;through songs written by other members of the group and through our interpretations of more traditional hymns we oftern experimented with diferent rythmns just to try to make things more interesting. The reason you read nothing else about Sonseed is because we're spread out all over the country and I'm he only one who wanted (at the time)to get involved with this "revival" of sorts. Also, it was my song that caused all of this. This was all a lot of fun a few weeks ago but now with copyright infringements piling up I sort of wish this would go away.
This was a phase of our lives we are all proud of. Enjoy it for what it was; just a bunch of Catholics playing church halls and schools trying to bring some joy to people for a while.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Sunday, September 28, 2008 9:27 PM by Ducky
I agree; it's a fake. However, I did get a good laugh out of it.

I would say that the laptop on the cover of the album would be a big indicator that the album was NOT from the early 1980's.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Monday, September 29, 2008 10:01 PM by Kevin
How can you call that a fake? Really I can get on board with some of the comments about the graphics, maybe even if you had a legitimate claim about the guitar, but there is NO way that you can fake the hair, the glasses, the clothes THAT WELL. It just doesn't happen no matter how badly you want to believe it does. I have seen it before and when you try to fake that ***, it does look fake. This is the real thing pal. So like others, get off your conspiracy theory crap and stop ruining everyone's fun. So what if it is fake anyway? Do you think you are going to get a medal or something? No one cares what you think.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:25 AM by marie
Yikes. Slow down peeps. Who cares if it's fake or not. Who cares about who says it's fake or not. Everyone gets so up in arms about these things. It's totally amusing. It's entertaining.
It's awesome.
Who cares about the rest.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:40 PM by Mark Crane
http://www.metafilter.com/74832/Jesus-came-and-touched-me-down-inside#2255266

Someone called the lead singer and confirmed this is the real deal. With Bill McNeil.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Friday, October 03, 2008 3:12 PM by Mark B
To clear up the Bass question... it is indeed a Kramer Duke - not a Steinberger - the Duke range appeared in 1981, have a look down the following page for pics and details.

http://www.vintagekramer.com/alum.htm

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:12 AM by not fake
I love how people are still debating whether it's fake or not even though the singer in the video as well as the guy who made the blog posted comments explaining everything. Also, I'm listening to the album right now, so that's proof enough for me.

# re: Sonseed: I'm calling it as fake

Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:38 AM by Jessica
I don't think the Youtube is fake but I can see where all the hype about it is fake. It was probably just a small band playing on a christian talk show on TBN or something.

The thing that struck me was the album download. As a practicing Graphic Designer who has studied Design History, I can tell you that the album cover was created recently. It was created in a program like Illustrator. The Design is two clean and the lines of the leaves are to mechanical to be done by human hands, which in '83 that would have been drawn by hand. Designers in those days did not draw on computers like we do. If it was created in '83 the album art would have been Illustrated or a photograph.

The another thing Yes the poster you saw on doug's website was created in Photoshop. We know this because of the perfect (pixilated) Drop shadow in the type. This was NOT done in the 70's and and early 80's, because Photoshop was not invented until 1988, and even in that time the artists of the day held on to their hand-done mechanical practice and did not switch over to Photoshop right away.

I do have to give some credit to Doug for choosing a correct typeface (Cooper Black - Created in the 1920's then "redisovered" and made popular in the 1960's) but Doug fell into the temptation of making it "look cool" with a trick in Photoshop.

Yeah so maybe this Doug guy wants to make Sonseed a popular band. But all in all I think they were just a church band playing on a Christian TV show.